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Old 05-28-2009, 11:29 PM   Nav to Top  #11
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Thanks for the comments all.

The thing that gets me about Sotomayor is that she apparently achieved success because of her own personal determination and hard work. To my knowledge, she wasn't the product of some damned social program...so why would she think that handouts (i.e. socialistic redistribution of wealth) lead to progress or growth? It's this reason that I would tend to give her the benefit of the doubt..... but, the fact that Barry himself nominated her puts her strictly in the list of 'enemies of the state' in my book...until proven innocent. I wonder if she's paid her taxes.....

Smith and Wesson holding company is an interesting play. However, I consider the real thing to be the best investment: precision machine tools providing the capacity to defend your family. guns have historically held their value much like a commodity, as long as regular maintenance is performed. Dead Bird Dog you made the right move buying pre-election..I'm kicking myself for not doing the same. (my money was tied up in FAS waiting for the Obamarama rally that never came....ugh, stupid)
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I figured 5000 rounds of M193 and M855 were plenty for my M4. The rifle, ammo and 12 mags were less than $2000. Depending on how things turn out, that might be the best investment I ever made.
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Mac, Are you holding any SWHC? Have watched it rise over the last few months and am wondering if its a good buy even at this price since shares are being sold for 6.25.
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mahmissa,

I do not currently own any SWHC. I like the macroeconomic prospects, but I haven't done any research on their fundamentals to understand where their shares *should be* valued at. Also, impacts of potential Obama policies should be weighed carefully, IMO. ( Gun manufacturers could well be demonized by this socialist ) Just looking at the chart briefly, I'd call $4.50 a good entry point...but again I'd need to conduct and/or see some fundamental analysis before jumping in.

Dead Bird Dog: For all of our sakes, I hope that the purchase of your 'insurance policy' never has to be exercised outside of the target range. I own shotguns and pistols only at the moment, but am looking for a deal on a semi-automatic rifle. ( prefer AR-15....nostalgia and expertise..... )
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I'm going to try and offer some political advice to some of you not as someone who disagrees, but someone who is concerned the Republican party is going down in flames with gasoline underwear. I consider myself a fundamental Republican but I'm beginning to believe the idea of partisan politics is the reason why it takes so long to get things accomplished.

Look around, the Democratic party has adapted while the Republican party has not moved at all. On this very issue of Sotomayor the party would be smart to tread lightly, you're inadvertently putting your own nail in the coughin in 2012 and guaranteeing a second term for Obama. And for what? The far fetched idea that one judicial will take away your guns? When you see the big picture you see how dumb all of this really is.

Terms like socialist and marxist, educated individuals know that these terms are far exaggerated. I laugh at it cause a lot of the people who criticize Obama with those terms don't even know the applied meaning. I'll tell some of you like I tell other friends I have, before pointing the finger at the other party it would be a good idea to address with the issues within your own and hold them accountable. Don't be so stubborn as to think your individuals beliefs are above the future of the cause.
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I'm going to try and offer some political advice to some of you not as someone who disagrees, but someone who is concerned the Republican party is going down in flames with gasoline underwear. I consider myself a fundamental Republican but I'm beginning to believe the idea of partisan politics is the reason why it takes so long to get things accomplished.

Look around, the Democratic party has adapted while the Republican party has not moved at all. On this very issue of Sotomayor the party would be smart to tread lightly, you're inadvertently putting your own nail in the coughin in 2012 and guaranteeing a second term for Obama. And for what? The far fetched idea that one judicial will take away your guns? When you see the big picture you see how dumb all of this really is.

Terms like socialist and marxist, educated individuals know that these terms are far exaggerated. I laugh at it cause a lot of the people who criticize Obama with those terms don't even know the applied meaning. I'll tell some of you like I tell other friends I have, before pointing the finger at the other party it would be a good idea to address with the issues within your own and hold them accountable. Don't be so stubborn as to think your individuals beliefs are above the future of the cause.
100% agree. Partisan politics have destroyed this country. One side wins, does bad things, then we vote in the other side. Once the other side wins, they do bad things, then we go back to the other side. Rinse and repeat. Philosophically the two parties differ drastically, but in reality they essentially do the same things with the big issues. Pet issues keep the populous bickering amongst themselves while the Rs and Ds destroy big things like..... liberty.

Whenever I go to a local GOP meeting and people start flinging words around like socialist , I remind them what it really means... and even in their misconstrued definition of the word, we've had 'socialism' for many years. In my opinion, it all comes down to word games. Pro-life, pro-choice, pro-second amendment, strong national defense, etc etc etc.... they're all useless phrases that invoke a visceral response rather than discussion. It's what THEY want; divide us, then conquer us.
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I'm going to try and offer some political advice to some of you not as someone who disagrees, but someone who is concerned the Republican party is going down in flames with gasoline underwear. I consider myself a fundamental Republican but I'm beginning to believe the idea of partisan politics is the reason why it takes so long to get things accomplished.

Look around, the Democratic party has adapted while the Republican party has not moved at all. On this very issue of Sotomayor the party would be smart to tread lightly, you're inadvertently putting your own nail in the coughin in 2012 and guaranteeing a second term for Obama. And for what? The far fetched idea that one judicial will take away your guns? When you see the big picture you see how dumb all of this really is.

Terms like socialist and marxist, educated individuals know that these terms are far exaggerated. I laugh at it cause a lot of the people who criticize Obama with those terms don't even know the applied meaning. I'll tell some of you like I tell other friends I have, before pointing the finger at the other party it would be a good idea to address with the issues within your own and hold them accountable. Don't be so stubborn as to think your individuals beliefs are above the future of the cause.
Tony, thanks for your comments. I agree with you that the Republican party is currently dead in the water. I, for one, am not a Republican. Partisan politics make me sick, and the Republicrats are all about partisan politics. The mainstream media will have us believe that there are but two choices in American politics, but in my view, they both represent two puppets controlled by the same master.

IMO, the Republicans would be smart to stand up defend their supposed principles now and oppose her nomination, or risk falling even further into obsolescence. Tip-toeing around the core issues of American values and constitutionalism to appease politically correct nincompoops is not a sign of strength or a source of confidence. Fear of offending those who need to be offended is not justification for passive support for an affront to one's own principles.

Obama is a proponent of the redistribution of wealth. (i.e. theft, the taking and giving away of other people's money) He is leading the de facto nationalization of heretofore private industries. He is expanding the size and scope of federal government beyond the bounds of the U.S. Constitution at an unprecedented rate. He is enacting fiscal policies that are guaranteed to impoverish the American people via bankruptcy and equal suffering for all. He is an apologist to America's enemies, and has taken on the core source of American prosperity as his targets for destruction (private business, capitalism). He is trying to expand social services on a scale never before seen, and is trying to reinforce the notion that government is the source of wealth and the only hope for securing a prosperous life and saving our economy. He is a Marxist... a socialist, and a cult of personality...there is no doubt in my mind. If you examine the core tenants of socialism and compare with Obama's actions, how can there be any doubt?

For a quick start, look at a quick definition and then tell me that Obama doesn't fit the mold.

And another definition: " a formal economic system in which society exerts considerable control over the nation's wealth and property in the pursuit of social justice."

-Sound familiar??

I believe that Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing ( sheep, as viewed by the mainstream media and the average Amercian) and represents the greatest threat to American prosperity, values and form of government as has ever been seen before. He will (continue to) do great damage to America if we as Americans continue to allow it.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:09 AM   Nav to Top  #19
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Mac, I appreciate the response. I love a good discussion where views can be expressed and respected.

In politics there is give and take. With a political system controlled by partisanship no one person is going to get all of the issues they want, they have to pick and choose. And once they choose there is a way to go about showing support for those views. The way I see the state of politics between democrats and republicans is a boxing match. The Republican side is the bruiser, throwing big punches that hit hard.. but costly if missed vs. the Democrats and mainly Obama.. who is strategically killing the Republican party.

I'll call this nomination what it is; "check," as it is used in chess. Its a move for the Republican party to take another step in the direction they don't want to go in but have no other choice. As you explained you must stand for your principles. But if Republicans cause a stir as they have and possibly block this nomination you just alienated the fastest growing population of this country. Watch the news, listen to the media, many Latinos feel this is the beginning for them in Washington and it cannot be overlooked that they are a deciding factor in future elections. Its a no win situation for Republicans, either lay down your principles or lose ground in the future. That is why I said tread lightly because the residual outcome of this may fall under the adage; "the battle was won but the war was lost."

On socialism, marxism, etc. A $890 Billion bailout is just as socialist as any policy Obama is putting forth. Government grew just as fast the past 8 years as it is now. Which is why I say the Republican party needs to clean its own house before ruling someone elses.

Don't get me wrong brother, I plan to fight for the same rights you want. (Military guy with 2 firearms looking to buy my 3rd next month) The idea is to gain support for the cause in a way that makes sense. Stick to your principles but also adapt to the conditions, you might just be suprised who is standing beside you when its time to take a stand.
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